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Brilliant and insightful conversations – thank yo so much

Don’t stop making these! These talks are great meta talks and are very entertaining.

mark – please don’t let scott talk to himself. also, disagree on your opinion on expert beginner. give it few years.

I love these videos! Y’all have really great insight and offer a perspective that you’re not going to get in most circles.

Never stop doing these!

I love the playfulness of the series, and while I haven't been a "professional" C# Developer for long, I've been around and played with Z80 assembler, MSX Basic, QBasic, etc, I've been watching this series since the first episode, and it already felt nostalgic… keep it up!

I don't think AI would be able to learn new things themselves without enough human instructions. Therefore, AI won't completely take over human programming. Human needs to produce things first for AI to learn from. But AI definitely is going to be a big part of our programming life in the near future.

AI agents already can list bullets given a task, step one two three, showing the thought process, what map component they need, how they're going to grab the data, if the task requires some action to apply for an API key they can do it, even to browse through a website and perform some clicks, whether to cache and store the data, etc. The results might not be what the user imagined at the mean time, since they are just trying to complete the task without the bigger picture, but presumably they can do a better job in the future, look at other related information when trying to perform the task, which might involve some system thinking.

Another mention is that agents can now run in VMs, use commands on the system to create files, save data, I'm sure they can eventually build and check if the code does the right thing on a machine/container. Based off of logs and outputs, they can detect bugs and fix the code. Of course the code might be using some weird unreadable logic and if bugs can't be fixed by them, it is going to cost human users more time to fix things or just give up on the code and reproduce. But the idea is there are possibilities AI can produce more reliable results in the future.

The problem is being forced to cloud instead of giving people the option. Its clear Microsoft want more cloud because they make more money from the renting of that cloud. Some of us just want to pay for a office 2016 ISO, learn it and just use that for years. This is the issue and objection, the ability of the cloud controller to decide what we can and can't use.

And yes, we've discovered (although I already knew this and had been saying it for a while) that cloud is more expensive.

I feel like Mark would be a really cool boss. One day..

ill comment for mark

This is so insightful. I’ve wanted to learn to code for years but there are so many languages I couldn’t figure out how to pick one. Makes me see more clearly there’s a type of thinking behind why I have this issue. I believe 100% that it pays to truly understand how something works under the hood and then use the AI tools to augment, but not completely replace. What I gather from this is you can’t foresee the dangers (and therefore fix the breaks) without truly knowing how it works. Nothing beats good old fashioned reading and understanding.

Yep, I use AI as advanced search. I find copilot not very useful to 'talk to the mirror' it insists on repeating my code (context) even when you tell it not to…

do you know why did the assembly programmer break up with his/her girl/boyfriend?
Because every time he tried to MOV on, he ended up JMP-ing back to old mistakes…And the worst is that his heart had a segmentation fault
My mind always get stuck in Undefined Behavior…

I can relate to the AI coding. It is definitely something to use but has to be handheld quite a bit. I have created some nice, simple, apps from it. It has also helped me organize and create larger apps. In order to create larger apps, I had to spoon feed it information. I used AI to create the high-level concept and even basic Db structure. Then I would work on one piece at a time. It never completed the app, but it got a majority of it done, and it was much faster than me doing everything myself. I side with Mark that I do not see it replacing programmers, but it could make it more difficult for beginners to get jobs in some places, as I use AI as if it were a Jr Dev. I am probably not the only one doing that, so where does that leave Jr Devs? How do they progress from a Jr Dev all the way up to a Sr. Dev? What will be the new path? Will it be harder? I would love to hear the two of you discuss that one!

I worry about Azure.

Tech support to me: "Oh, the managed identity endpoint throttled the request from your storage account, that is why you experienced extremely high server latency" (Ok… so I won't use RBAC)
A MS Azure Cloud architect to me: "You got to use RBAC! Support was wrong to tell you that!"

So… The managed identity endpoint is fixed now? Is someone working on it? (not to mention my next worry: The increase in latency when using private endpoints)

The struggle to reach competent people when dealing with Azure is frustrating to say the least.

Leet code interviews are pointless. Thanks for that discussion. How about a show on how to interview for technical roles?